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>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pushing this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: then i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this money is invested? >> now with about the initiative another large tax increase in history now by $50 billion. but they are lying. revenue projections will not come true. the balanced budget looks good in jittery but then the revenues come of you say it is a shortfall. it could be a billion or $30 billion. we will see that happen again. john: chuck devore you moved to texas? >> the states are so similar. population, the second and third states with land mass mass, more similar than different, both last with natural resources and a coastline with ports. similar on the surface why
>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pushing this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: then i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this...
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>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pushing this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: th i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this money is invested? >> now with about the initiative another large tax increase in history now by $50 billion. but they are lying. revenue projections will not come true. the balanced budget looks good in jittery but then the revenues come of you say it is a shortfall. it could be a billion or $30 billion. we will see that happen again. john: chuck devore you moved to texas? >> the states are so similar. population, the second and third states with land mass mass, more similar than different, both last with natural resources and a coastline with ports. similar on the surface why ar
>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pushing this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: th i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this money...
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>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pusng this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: then i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this money is invested? >> now with about the initiative another large tax increase in history now by $50 billion. but they are lying. revenue projections will not come true. the balanced budget looks good in jittery but then the revenues come of you say it is a shortfall. it could be a billion or $30 billion. we will see that happen again. john: chuck devore you moved to texas? >> the states are so similar. population, the second and third states with land mass mass, more similar than different, both last with natural resources and a coastline with ports. similar on the surface why ar
>> he enacted the largest tax increase at the state level in history. i resigned as the chief republican whip in protest. john: he also funded stem cell research. i talk to the guy pusng this and i said you could pay for this yourself why is it a government job? >> democrats wanted to stick a thumb into the eye of georgia bush just like the emission standards to say we are californians. john: then i read this organization has to be revamped, a conflict of interest, all of this money...
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they want to move states that are dynamic, cutting taxes. look of other states with zero tax rates, they want to move to dynamic economies. stuart: diana workers leave and dynamic companies that want to hire do not come into illinois. that is the connection with the high level of government spending and government debt. >> precisely right. if you think about this is the scary part for illinois, the people who can leave on the ones that have money and they leave so people forced to sit down have means and the amount of debt i know you have covered on the amount of the lloyd that you are going to leave a bunch of debt to people can't pay and that smell like insolvency. stuart: i keep asking the same questions you and other people from illinois. when does crunch time come? when do we stop lending and when does a lawyer asked the fed's 4 bailout? >> you have lead on this and ask the right questions. illinois continues to fell to get a handle, politicians won't take on the unions, they won't reform pensions and it is becoming dangerous. stuart: w
they want to move states that are dynamic, cutting taxes. look of other states with zero tax rates, they want to move to dynamic economies. stuart: diana workers leave and dynamic companies that want to hire do not come into illinois. that is the connection with the high level of government spending and government debt. >> precisely right. if you think about this is the scary part for illinois, the people who can leave on the ones that have money and they leave so people forced to sit...
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>> tax. it is pretty clear these games influence behavior and the increase in violence, and we can't ban them, so let's tax it and let's use the money for education and for clean up from the aftermath of these violent-related masacres. >> last word, thank you, folks. coming up, you don't have nonbuyers remorse because you missed out on these run ups. our informers have stocks you need right now. overmany discounts to thine customs! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. moreiscounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... bl
>> tax. it is pretty clear these games influence behavior and the increase in violence, and we can't ban them, so let's tax it and let's use the money for education and for clean up from the aftermath of these violent-related masacres. >> last word, thank you, folks. coming up, you don't have nonbuyers remorse because you missed out on these run ups. our informers have stocks you need right now. overmany discounts to thine customs! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid...
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>> tax. it is pretty clear these games influence behavior and the increase in violence, and we can't ban them, so let's tax it and let's use the money for education and for clean up from the aftermath of these violent-related masacres. >> last word, thank you, folks. coming up, you don't have nonbuyers remorse because you missed out on these run ups. our informers have stocks you need right now. >>> at 4:00 this morning two intruders broke into the home of a woman and they demanded they give her cash. >> one of the men held me down and put a pillow on my face and kept yelling they want money. i never have been so scared in my life.
>> tax. it is pretty clear these games influence behavior and the increase in violence, and we can't ban them, so let's tax it and let's use the money for education and for clean up from the aftermath of these violent-related masacres. >> last word, thank you, folks. coming up, you don't have nonbuyers remorse because you missed out on these run ups. our informers have stocks you need right now. >>> at 4:00 this morning two intruders broke into the home of a woman and they...
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what to do with the tax man on a queue. don't go away gerri: the story of the tax payers dreadnoughts. one in every age we win that one in 2011. you can expect even more this year. especially for those high income earners. so what happens next? we have your bottom line coverage of crucial test in navigating the process. when he is the founder and president of diversified financial consultant. welcome back to the show. >> thank you. gerri: i was mentioning that the irs really win after its people last year. how is this different? >> well, they go where the money. lots of people have the money. more important, they are targeting small business owners and these are the guys are taking, they have targeted them and that is where the money is. gerri: okay, a lot of people will not be happy to hear that. let's talk about the rest. >> once people get dreaded notice in the mail, typically that is the irs looking for classification and clarification of information. they can come to your office to your account office. >> so i have hav
what to do with the tax man on a queue. don't go away gerri: the story of the tax payers dreadnoughts. one in every age we win that one in 2011. you can expect even more this year. especially for those high income earners. so what happens next? we have your bottom line coverage of crucial test in navigating the process. when he is the founder and president of diversified financial consultant. welcome back to the show. >> thank you. gerri: i was mentioning that the irs really win after its...
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the dividend tax rates would go up dramatically in 2013. as the market moves on, take some money off the table, what we found the last three years is if you bought with the s&p is under the moving average, your average gain is 45.3%. if you bought when it was over the moving average, your average gain is 1.5% per year. i still think it'll be a back-and-forth market. take some profits in the euphoria. david: we think about what is happening inside the beltway. it is a global market. it is becoming more of a global market. you see global trade is really taking off in 2013. that leads to tremendous opportunities if it happens, right? >> i think so, david. evaluations are compelling whether it is europe, china. emerging market and even in japan. on the way to unlock the valuations and as investors come around to realizing those risks are receding, you will see a compression of the equity risk premium allowing evaluations to expand. david: lets michelle and she won one of those countries, japan. some people say this new leader going in the oppos
the dividend tax rates would go up dramatically in 2013. as the market moves on, take some money off the table, what we found the last three years is if you bought with the s&p is under the moving average, your average gain is 45.3%. if you bought when it was over the moving average, your average gain is 1.5% per year. i still think it'll be a back-and-forth market. take some profits in the euphoria. david: we think about what is happening inside the beltway. it is a global market. it is...
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cpa or tax attorney. >> i would've thought he would've said so everything you know about whatever the issue is -- you are a lot more circumspect than that. >> yes, the letters you get in the mail will have a specific item that they're looking for. they could be looking at things like your expenses or business expenses into their questions and be very specific. gerri: okay, you said small businesses were targeted in 2013. let's talk about why. >> if you look at the average taxpayer, a w-2, there isn't much pushback. a small business owner has a lot of expenses. the uk the car after dinner wa't your wife? the irs is targeting where the money is. a lot of the expenses are up for grabs. >> they are high income taxpayers, these are the people who are in the crosshairs. foreign transactions would be more likely. is that i? >> is possible, especially for a larger business owner. i think travel entertainment and things like that are expensive. anything that. you know, we define a small-business owner and under a hundred employees. we can be substantial employees. gerri: a lot of businesses us
cpa or tax attorney. >> i would've thought he would've said so everything you know about whatever the issue is -- you are a lot more circumspect than that. >> yes, the letters you get in the mail will have a specific item that they're looking for. they could be looking at things like your expenses or business expenses into their questions and be very specific. gerri: okay, you said small businesses were targeted in 2013. let's talk about why. >> if you look at the average...
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david: but after-tax income is going down, is it not? >> well, it will, but historically the consumer has the ability to readjust somewhat. but it is not a debt blow to the consumer from that perspective. david: there's still enough left over at the end of the week to go out and shop? >> right, enough get up and go with consumer credit. you see the unique thing that happened with the recession, the great recession, as they call it, is that consumer credit started to actually go down. something you haven't seen since the great depression. so what we're calling for in 2013, but perhaps more in 2014 is that consumer credit will start to extend that. that's household credit. you will see more new home sales and whatnot. >> okay. you know, and boosting this recovery is what central banks are doing, not just here in the u.s., but around the world. we're going to pull up a chart, it shows quantitative easing here in the u.s. and also by the ecp, and i'm just concerned right now, what does this mean for inflation? what does this mean for the dol
david: but after-tax income is going down, is it not? >> well, it will, but historically the consumer has the ability to readjust somewhat. but it is not a debt blow to the consumer from that perspective. david: there's still enough left over at the end of the week to go out and shop? >> right, enough get up and go with consumer credit. you see the unique thing that happened with the recession, the great recession, as they call it, is that consumer credit started to actually go...
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now to taxes and what we're calling many state by state tax revolt. five states are looking to eliminate state income taxes for people and corporations, they are louisiana, kansas, north carolina, oklahoma, and nebraska. if you wouldn't know it, the governor of nebraska, david henman is here and he's going to explain. thanks for joining us this morning. all of a sudden, did these states have the same epiphany or the same realization that there's only way to get the local economies going and that would be to change their taxes? >> well, i would tell you, charles, we have all looked at the economy that we're competing in, which is worldwide, and we know we need to be more tax competitive. i want to create more jobs in this state, our state, for citizens and higher paying jobs and the way to do that is to have lower income tax rates and corporate rates and in our particular case, i'm proposing the complete elimination of the income tax and the corporate tax rate. we do that by repealing some of the sales tax exemptions that we've granted over the years,
now to taxes and what we're calling many state by state tax revolt. five states are looking to eliminate state income taxes for people and corporations, they are louisiana, kansas, north carolina, oklahoma, and nebraska. if you wouldn't know it, the governor of nebraska, david henman is here and he's going to explain. thanks for joining us this morning. all of a sudden, did these states have the same epiphany or the same realization that there's only way to get the local economies going and...
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plus, we had $520 billion of new taxes from obamacare. this would be the third tax increase. melissa: i really hope you're right because i feel their is a tide of higher taxes. its role in norway. it will keep all of us out to see no matter what our income bracket because it seems like before this last deal there was this notion that if republicans just gave in and went ahead with some higher taxes that then we could get down to the business of spending cuts. that was the idea that was out there. take your medicine now and then we will get down to the business of cutting spending once we have this out of the way. instead, it has been quite the opposite. this was just the first up. the camel's nose in a tent. now there are many more higher taxes coming. are you sure that there are enough democrats out there that would stand in a way of this? because i don't know. >> well, we will see. you may be right that some of these democrats make all unite behind the schumer obama budget which calls for somewhere in the neighborhood of another trillion dollar tax increase. the point i was
plus, we had $520 billion of new taxes from obamacare. this would be the third tax increase. melissa: i really hope you're right because i feel their is a tide of higher taxes. its role in norway. it will keep all of us out to see no matter what our income bracket because it seems like before this last deal there was this notion that if republicans just gave in and went ahead with some higher taxes that then we could get down to the business of spending cuts. that was the idea that was out...
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corporate tax rate and income personal tax rate. we have the man who crafted the plan here with more details. interesting. >> that fits me, but how does that get offset? >> there you did. there you go. >> okay. updated on the markets like we do every 15 minutes. nicole, we have bank earnings out this week. how are broader markets doing? >> a lot going on. friday, the dow went over the unchanged line 50 times, today, no different, back and forth action. the dow is gaining five points, but the nasdaq and s&p both pulling back some, and, of course, the nasdaq weighed down by apple, and let's get financials up for you. today is a weak day of earnings, and names in focus like goldman, bank of america, citi group, and morgan stanley. the group ran up over 26% in the last year, and the estimates have come down considerably from sector to sector so this group, obviously, estimates trimmed to a certain extent. back to you. >> thank you, nicole. president obama addressed the nation on the looming debt ceiling warning a debt crisis could occur
corporate tax rate and income personal tax rate. we have the man who crafted the plan here with more details. interesting. >> that fits me, but how does that get offset? >> there you did. there you go. >> okay. updated on the markets like we do every 15 minutes. nicole, we have bank earnings out this week. how are broader markets doing? >> a lot going on. friday, the dow went over the unchanged line 50 times, today, no different, back and forth action. the dow is gaining...
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do you stick by ford if the tax fight continues? >> yes, because beyond the dividend, it's an attractive stock. auto industry as a whole, we think, has still tremendous upside potential since it bottomed out in 2009, it continues to improve. ford, specifically, streamlined down to lincoln and ford models. they have a ways to go yet, but they are really looking to compete head on in the united states with toyota, with the fuel efficient products like fugs, fiesta, taurus, ect.. cheryl: that's right. 3 #% yield hit again on ford. the stock is climbs and climbing back to the debt ceiling debate, in 2012 # coming into 2013 were concerns about consumer spending. government numbers out, retail sales better. does that give you hope? is that why you are bullish at this point for 2013? >> yes. i mean our economy plods along and improves looking at real estate, consumer spending, major purchases such as auto. once again, i make the statement that once washington gets out of the way, we really think that the financial markets based upon where
do you stick by ford if the tax fight continues? >> yes, because beyond the dividend, it's an attractive stock. auto industry as a whole, we think, has still tremendous upside potential since it bottomed out in 2009, it continues to improve. ford, specifically, streamlined down to lincoln and ford models. they have a ways to go yet, but they are really looking to compete head on in the united states with toyota, with the fuel efficient products like fugs, fiesta, taurus, ect.. cheryl:...
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now if they make a deal on the debt deal that eliminates tax-free bonds being attacked, the tax-free bonds being attacked at the white house, then it changes as the markets are pricing in a risk that may happen. which means it doesn't happen, tax-free bonds are cheap. lori: bigger picture, we saw huge inflow of into the equity market last week. the data was shocking to a lot of people, are you seeing a rotation out of bounds because the rates have been low for so long? >> we had a massive inflow into bonds. early data would show there is a shift, but potential for a shift to stocks given the relative yields and the potential i think it's quite good, very large, i like it. lori: thank you for sharing your outlook on things. good to see you. >> thanks. tracy: i love how he said in glorious outcome, that invokes like jesus coming down to make it happen or something. lori: and i could be the next treasury secretary. tracy: and you do have nice penmanship. president obama signing 23 actions in the last hour urging out the time to act on gun violence in america. peter barnes at the white h
now if they make a deal on the debt deal that eliminates tax-free bonds being attacked, the tax-free bonds being attacked at the white house, then it changes as the markets are pricing in a risk that may happen. which means it doesn't happen, tax-free bonds are cheap. lori: bigger picture, we saw huge inflow of into the equity market last week. the data was shocking to a lot of people, are you seeing a rotation out of bounds because the rates have been low for so long? >> we had a massive...
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some people say they want to lock in the lower capital-gains tax rate at the old tax rates. therefore they were just taking their profits off the table? >> the market thought that they were going to meet in the middle in terms of the president actually giving in towards spending cuts. he pulled back on the spending cuts hardcore. i think here, looks like gop, looks like the gop will extend the debt ceiling another 45 days. that is why the market was up yesterday. the market is way ahead of this. but, i think that next week, next, two, three weeks there is still a lot has to be done to get this thing completed. first of all, has to get through the house and the senate. there will be a ton of volatility between now and when this finally happens. liz: how do you trade it, larry? >> well the vix, last time i was on shot --. liz: very low. >> now below 14. you can do call spreads on the vix. i like to be long volatility here. think about the end of february, it is fascinating, because you have this italian election and berlusconi is pulling out all the stops. it is monte, you wil
some people say they want to lock in the lower capital-gains tax rate at the old tax rates. therefore they were just taking their profits off the table? >> the market thought that they were going to meet in the middle in terms of the president actually giving in towards spending cuts. he pulled back on the spending cuts hardcore. i think here, looks like gop, looks like the gop will extend the debt ceiling another 45 days. that is why the market was up yesterday. the market is way ahead...
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if you look at corporate taxes, they are all trending in the right direction from a public standpoint. the country has a lot of natural resources. liz: but you don't want to become like australia. >> in terms of being a natural resource country, they do have a lot of natural resources companies, but they have other superb financial companies too. the banks and get into all the trouble that we did. liz: canada did not allow -- they have enough good regulations, not overregulated that didn't allow their regulations to take a bad stance. >> that's right, we like nova scotia. it's a very interesting story. one more thing, it is possible to have relations with china through canada. second-largest exporter and that is key to fueling the industry -- the steel industry. liz: that's right, huge in canada and natural technology resources. jay, nice to see you, thank you for joining us. my parents are canadian. don't be all excited that they will be that we mention canada. shares of one company traveling higher today, we will tell you which luggage maker is doing well. . . . .. look, if you have
if you look at corporate taxes, they are all trending in the right direction from a public standpoint. the country has a lot of natural resources. liz: but you don't want to become like australia. >> in terms of being a natural resource country, they do have a lot of natural resources companies, but they have other superb financial companies too. the banks and get into all the trouble that we did. liz: canada did not allow -- they have enough good regulations, not overregulated that...
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lori: one tax stock or company helping you file your tax returns is hitting a 52-week high. is there more upside the head? melissa: and retirement age racing. they plan to increase the retirement age to 70. a look at metals as we head out to break. gold trading higher by half a percentage point. copper leading the way from a percentage point of view. we will be right back. melissa: as with every 15 minutes, let's check the market. nicole is watching. nicole: i am, indeed. this is a name that has headlines and number one performer in the s&p 500 today. stellar performance, up 9.5%. there is quite a bit going on with cbs. they're turning their north and south american outdoor advertising divisions, putting some billboard divisions up for sale. one analyst says a split could unload asset values between 5,000,000,006,000,000,000. here is a one-year chart that shows you how well they set up for the one-year period the tenure charge shows how we went through the crisis. recouped all those losses and still better than it was prior to that. however back in 2000, '99, 2000, but it da
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tracy: you have low corporate taxes, low real estate taxes for commercial properties. i would think it'd be pretty easy to wear the businesses in. what stops them? >> we have had great success working with california businesses. our strategy is to work with california businesses looking to expand their operations outside of california. in addition to that we are working with arizona businesses looking for a new market. the ninth larges next largest ee world and proximity to california is a real business advantage. tracy: getting some pretty good tax breaks. can the state continue to afford to offer such good deals? >> our governor and our state legislature have aggressively been putting into and enacting policies and laws to increase opportunities for businesses that are successful. they have run two very aggressive agendas to ensure we have a pro-business environment, less regulation, the focus in arizona is to ensure businesses can succeed. tracy: do provide a breakdown of how much they would see if they came to arizona? >> absolutely. a very comprehensive strategy.
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major tax and entitlement reform. that will be discussed throughout the rest of the week. >> we have to come to a point where we stand and fight. i hope this is the time. there is no such thing in this definition. we'll pay social security, will you pay medicare or would you use it as a tool to try to get the house republicans to cave? rich: president obama said he will not negotiate. he will talk spending cuts and, perhaps, revenue. back to you. lori: thank you so much. new warnings on the debt ceiling. timothy geithner telling congressional leaders that the u.s. will exhaust its limit mid-february. bernanke urging congress to extend borrowing authority well before the deadline. the u.s. could lose its aaa rating, so where do we go from here? wonderful to have you with us. you believe the u.s. will not default on its debt. how will washington get to that point? there is a proposal of delaying inflammation of the obama law. >> everything is on the table, including the delight that the republicans are talking about. my
major tax and entitlement reform. that will be discussed throughout the rest of the week. >> we have to come to a point where we stand and fight. i hope this is the time. there is no such thing in this definition. we'll pay social security, will you pay medicare or would you use it as a tool to try to get the house republicans to cave? rich: president obama said he will not negotiate. he will talk spending cuts and, perhaps, revenue. back to you. lori: thank you so much. new warnings on...
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they did not raise taxes. in addition, we have a very business friendly atmosphere. if you come to texas, we will not pull the rug out from under your feet. connell: businesses, sometimes individuals, sometimes larger businesses are leaving state than going to others mostly because of taxes. how much of that juicy and texas in texas and what industries is a really predominate. >> we do not have an income tax. that is a powerful magnet. they do not expect us to go ahead and spend beyond our means. they, in because of the business atmosphere and because we like visitors. a friendly place. the idea of getting to the numbers that you talked about during the first part of the interview and getting through the projections that this particular group put out that this $9 billion gap, specifically, how do you get there sure mark where did the cuts come from? >> i do not know where that number came. there will be a supplemental appropriations bill which we filed in a few weeks. they will fill some of the medicaid that we do not have. it is available in the surplus and it is av
they did not raise taxes. in addition, we have a very business friendly atmosphere. if you come to texas, we will not pull the rug out from under your feet. connell: businesses, sometimes individuals, sometimes larger businesses are leaving state than going to others mostly because of taxes. how much of that juicy and texas in texas and what industries is a really predominate. >> we do not have an income tax. that is a powerful magnet. they do not expect us to go ahead and spend beyond...
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tax increasing and spending. business people would get this deal done in an afternoon. this is what we do. >> maybe that's why ruth should go to washington. >> do you think bowles simpson is dead? will it ever come back? >> it's provided the energy of a we need bipartisan and both ingredients to make it work and we need sense of urgency because it's really important. that to me what bowles simpson was all about. >> now to wall street. are you telling investors just accept, this is it, what we have today? >> well, investors i think appropriately should be looking at risk adjusted returns. so -- >> sounds like a yes? >> no, the era of very high but very risk driven returns is over. okay? so what investors -- capital is doubled. leverage has been cut by two thirds. those are facts. now, the question is, but the quality of the returns you're now getting, i would argue is more stable, more predictable and more secure. >> right. and the compensation is lower. i thought it was pretty shocking what you guys did this week is that you basically said deferred cash bonuses to your
tax increasing and spending. business people would get this deal done in an afternoon. this is what we do. >> maybe that's why ruth should go to washington. >> do you think bowles simpson is dead? will it ever come back? >> it's provided the energy of a we need bipartisan and both ingredients to make it work and we need sense of urgency because it's really important. that to me what bowles simpson was all about. >> now to wall street. are you telling investors just...